Q. What are your opinion on homosexuality ?

Asker's comment:

Thanks for the prompt reply, thought that really didnt answer my question? So how does this points work? If I run dry? How? kena bayar ke? Macam jumpa shrik pulak?

I am married to my husband of three years, we have built ourself a home in holland and he owns a company, so we are rather comfortable, alhamdullillah.

Lately, I feel that I have some void in my life, as a man I really wanted to have a child, my own flesh and blood, but I guess that will never happen, because I probably need to get married, and I dont need a woman in my life. I was planning to adopt one, a baby. What do you think about this? What would my family think of me? Single and adopting a child? They dont know I am gay. Wont that arise questions? Why dont I just get married to a woman? I dont which field you are good at, but giving me some advise on this would be nice? I come from a super picious family. I mean I am the black sheep in my family, though I did good in school, my to them I am wild. In their narrow mind, moving overseas means I am going to be bad?? Its difficult trying to find a balance in being myself and trying to make my relatives happy! I guess they never happen

They have fix thinking that one should have a normal life and nothing beyond that, because they think finding wealth is subject to doom!

i'm no expert in social relations or emotional uplifting, in fact i need help with that myself. but obviously if people back home find out the real truth, they'd be upset. we are asians after all and more obviously, the religion has had its say against anything that opposes heterosexuality. when it comes to adoption, i actually support any single people who choose to do so. for your case maybe it might raise some eyebrows, maybe it might not.

everybody faces different kinds of voids in their lives and naturally we find ways to fill that void. ur void is probably caused by the fact that u r not able to be truthful to ur family. maybe by having a child, that void can be filled so as to compensate the emptiness u feel of not being able to share ur life with ur family. this is just my attempt of having a superficial outlook of ur life.

we always find it difficult to constantly try to please those around us, esp our family and relatives. i have my own set of problems too when it comes to trying to live up to people's expectations but ultimately, we have to be truthful to ourselves. at some point of time we will end up being disappointments to those we care for. but what matters most is that we have to be true to ourselves cos u wont achieve anything if u constantly try to please others no matter how much it's eating u inside.

i'm not saying i fully agree to the choices that u've made in terms of looking at things in an islamic way. but i'm also not saying that u shld be denying and blocking the feelings u have deep within u. sad to say, i guess its gonna be a dilemma u'll be facing ur whole life and i'm very sure u're not the only one facing this issue.

Hi shaineque,
I'm very delighted to see a question like this coz I know there are many Muslims who are gay and are struggling with this. Although you have selected an answer for your question, i guess i will try and reply anyway.

At the end of the day, i guess i comes to what you choose. i'm sure you know what the Quran say. there is no way that i can see that homosexuality is tolerable in example in the quran.

Wather if this is cause by biological, environment, geans and other things that might cause this. its doesnt justify the choice that you are currently undertaking. When you clearly know the consiqanesces to such actions. likewise, humans indulge themselves in 'zina' with many reasons to justify their act. or a murderer, rapist blaming it on biological and physiological imbalance. The fact still stays that they have done such an act.

you have to choose between living for this world and being with a guy, or choosing the hereafter and taking yourself away from such act. it is one of the greatest challenge on yourself if you were to restrain yourself. We will be judge accordingly when we die. Now weather Allah will be lenient in your case or not..i have no idea. but what i know is that for the fraction of the time we are spending on this earth, its worth it to sacrifice a little happiness now, in order to get a much greater eternal happiness later.

yup, ultimately the hereafter is what we shld be working towards to as what we do in this world is just a temporary fix. the journey we all go through now may seem hard and long but it will not compare to the after life that awaits us.

Asker's comment:

Correct me if I am wrong,

Sultana

So you are telling me, I should give up everything and be celibate for the rest of my life. Why? I didnt have a choice in this, being gay wasnt my choice?? Let me be clear and not sound defensive, being gay is inborn, genetic and its a lifestyle just like being str8, falling in love, getting married and having children. Its the same cycle we feel, its not a habit that we picked up halfway and suddenly realise we want a man from a woman? So while str8 people are enjoying falling in love with someone, I should give up everything solely because god in this case made me handicap? Its like telling hetreo people to change because they way the live is not according to Quran! So are gay people mistakes made by god? Or is it a challenege, can someone answer me logically in human senses and some answer from someone who knows islam deeply.
Thanks for the reply though, anymore?

I have to start by saying that so far it's hard for me to understand the argument of gay-ism being an inborn phenomena, or related to genes...

I almost reject any argument in any topic that tries to strip human's away from choise in a way or another...

Thus far I would argue that most of human's feelings are based on ideas, and I dont want to sound like those who'd say you have to change what you think for the sake of x or y.

I guess what you are asking here is for a society that is formed in a way to understand your decision (at least that's what i think) to be gay. Which i think you have all rights to. But you and I know changes are low for them to accept that!

I always thought that religion is an organized set of IDEAS that tries to organize society in a structured manner. Now what that means is that we are not here to satisfy God's words, because that's against the definition of God him/her/it -self as an infinite...

Further, I picture Qura'an as fixed in its textual and language, but not in thier meanings, and most importantly never in thier application...

Perhaps this example can help. Imagine a scientist, who wanted to transfer his knowledge to his 5 years old doughter. Now the scientist has two options. He'd eaither feed his doughter his knowledge bits by bits as she grows. Yet he knows that he wont last long enough.
Or write a texture that is fixed in the language, yet he'd write it in a way that each time she reads it depending on her level of understanding she'd learn something new...

And that's how qura'an operates. It's not far away from social contexts, or human common understanding as a collective within a particular society..

If we understand these crutial point, then what we have is the following:

1. There's nothing concrete in qura'an apart from those verses who discuss prayings etc. Anything related to social contexts are subject to us as human collective to determine the meaning within the language context.

1.a. This means that perhaps one day singaporian Islamic society might reach a point to be able to undestand gay in a way or another, this wont contradict ISLAM at all...

2. God wont benifit from one getting maried to male or female, it's all about your self satisfaction. But on the other hand, it's also about the collective control which insures such individual hapiness...

3. I wanted to be a bit sarcastic in this point, if you refer to the traditional explanations of the rewards of the hearafter you'd feel you're almost a god, you can wish for an apple it comes striaght away to you, etc...
So somehow you can also wish to be gay over there and I cannt see why it cant happen...

3.a. What I wanted to say it's not almost about the hearafter, it's about here on earth...The whole qura'an talks about earth, the rest of it are there to teach you patience i suppose...

4. At the end of the day, if you are not harming someone, or yourself, then the organized set of ideas would support you (i.e. Qura'an)

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So my reply to your questions would be:

1. I'm not citicising you at all, or dont mean this in a bad way. You chose to be gay, you chose to leave your country family, culture, as you know they wont accept your choise... Sometimes you have to sacrifice things for your choise...

1.a. It's similar to someone who get maried to a girl without his family's acceptance dont you think..

2. Guess what I was also planing to adopt a child, my dream is to adopt a child, the reason being is that i want to raise the kid by myself, I dont want anyone's interferance. So I totally incourage you to do it...

Wish you all the best

Hi shaineque

yea let me be clearer, i perfectally understand the situation from where you are standing. And i also know what the argument is," i didn''t choose to be like this, God created me like this" i've read about human sexuality and alot of my good friends are gays. I've also read from Islamic perspective and i'm sure you already know what scholars will say about this.

However i did put myself in ur situation..( i.e telling a heterosexual people to change coz is not according to the Quran)

I answered this question( as above post shows) based on what i a normal human being will do being a muslim, if i still believe in the absolute of the Quran.

The logic of Islam is that its law isn't there to make our life diffucult. If anything, it would be to protect us and to strive for balance. it wouldn't make sense to say that if Allah created me to be a gay, then he is just having fun by punishing me for something i have no control off.

Allah clearly forbids anal sex, and there's a story in the quran about the people of the Prophet Lut. With these examples in mind, there is no way i can think for any exception. Its obvious that this is something that Allah would 'curse'. ( i think u already know this)

Now for stating things like biological, nature.. i guess that is something that should be research on more. And not to simply accept whatever scientist or anyone claim it to be true. History shows that scientist are researchers, and research can sometimes be true or false. I've attached a few links below which explore on the above argument.


But look, if we do not believe and have faith in God, then this discussion isn't relevant.

what makes you think that i do not know islam deeply ;)

anywyas, since you ask for it, here's a video from someone who knows islam deeply. :P

---->Video http://islamictube.net/view_vi...

below are links to islamic fatwas, dialogue and discussion. if you go to islam online, you will find more about this through a search. there's also a section on therapy.

----->other links
http://www.islamonline.net/eng...
http://www.religioustolerance....
http://www.geocities.com/mikai...

You may not agree with anything here, but i hope that it will trigger more material for your own research, (also for my great sexologist 'masalle' ;) and everyone else out there as well)

4 me,i believe that living in this world is too short as compared with eternal life. i would give up and be celibate to inshallah get Allah's blessing.(if it have to come to that) i know its easier said than done.

but all the best. salaam.

Wow, I can see that this controversial topic has indeed sprouted from it's deep roots. Before I continue, I'd like to say I understand both sides of this debate.

True, homosexuality is something that is not truly accepted in society but especially in Islam and a lot of people talk about this topic in secret because of how uncomfortable it makes them feel.

There are thousands of gays be it male or female, who feel very strongly about who they are and how they need to live in order to survive as an individual. The way I see it, in the end, Allah will choose how and when 'HE' judges you. Afterall, 'HE' created you and knows all, how and who 'HE' has chosen to be your parents. Inevitably who you will be in the end. I don't believe in free will. I believe that Allah knows all and what was given to you was given for a reason, whether you or the people around like it or not.

True, Islam forbits homosexuality. As much as we can, we, as Muslims can should respect this to the best of our ability. Meaning that, life is not a book. Nothing is black and white. There are all the greys in between that makes the difference too. There are shepherds and there are sheep. The sheep are most of the world's population and then there are shepherds, they are the leaders and they guide the sheep of the world.

From Prophet Abraham (p.b.u.h) all the way to Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w), shepherds guide. They are the ones who ponder and have the courage to change the world as it needs be. The Quran is a wonderful guide to how you should live your life. It guides and tells you what to do and what not to. However, I feel that it should not be a form of critism to others. That contributes to dislike and eventually hatred which is we all know is not a good thing.

September 11 is a major example this. How in the eyes of those terrorists, the teachings of the Quran harboured hatred which killed hundreds of people. Not a good thing. It made the world see Islam in such a bad way :(

To conclude, my comment to you, shaineque, is that do what you feel is best. Be true to yourself and pray. Pray for a sign, pray for what you feel in your heart is right because if it's meant to be that you will have a child, you will. Allah knows best afterall. InsyaAllah, it will all work itself out in good time :)

Wassalam,
foonoosh :)

Sigh. I admit I don't like talking about homosexuality. Sultana sent me this Question like a wk ago and I've procrastinated from it....

the reason i don't like discussing it is not because it's uncomfortable, but because i don't think muslims really want to talk about it.

and i mean really talk about it.

if taboo is a construct part of some sort of religious framework. then what's the point?

my impression is that the concept of 'taboo' points to a cultural issue and that such things should not be in the realm of what religion promotes.

isn't naiviety a wonderful thing.

if the religion of Islam promotes open dialogue about anything, then it seems quite contradictory to hold 'idealistic' interpretations of what you're supposed to feel as a human being, and how a 'proper' islamic society should be formed,

as opposed to a practical reality on the ground where muslims are far from this supposed ideal that was sent to save them.

I too have gay friends. mind you it was only after a while of actually interacting with them as fellow human beings that they decided to tell me of their sexual orientation.

did it effect my perception of them? not at all.

we also had many long hours of discussion surrounding their circumstances of why they are gay. i for one don't buy the concept of being 'born' gay, or any certain frame of mind, because choice plays a part.

however, they believed they were born gay and have no control of how they feel. while i do think they have a right to feel whatever they want to feel, one cannot consistently point to some sort of implied 'genetic' flaw for the fact they looked down upon from a wider society.

religion and homosexuality, i'm sorry, is a problem that you will find in all Abrahamic faiths, and not just Islam.
i dont need to remind you of how Christians view gay people too.
but the fact that we're muslim, and are supposed to view it from a prism where 'tolerance' plays a part... then again.. there's an issue.

let's discuss tolerance in this context.

a factor i myself encounter is that the ideal of tolerance to those that claim to 'deviate' from a prescribed ideal, is because 'we should put up' (which is what tolerance is defined as - to put up with someone) with their deviations because 'insha'allah they will be cured somehow'

oh right. because tolerance in Islam won't primarily involve the notion of acceptance.

an interesting point made by Masalle regarding whether homosexuality is a man-made fact. i'm not too sure considering it is REPRODUCTION that is encouraged by islam, and gay communities essentailly wouldnt be tolerated because women are sort of needed in pro-creation...

while i wouldn't agree in you depriving yourself of the apparent pursuit of happiness we humans endeavour to join in, i don't think in terms of practical application, Islam will do you any favours in trying to sort out the mess that is in your head at the moment...

that's because contradictions are apparent..

to be blunt (and forgive my bluntness) but there is a minute possibility that you will be accepted by Muslims if you chose to 'come out of the closet'.

during uni days, a classmate wanted to do a documentary on Gay Muslims. she found some willing participants, however they all chose to conceal their identities. and they too were married men.

so my adivce to you is, if you have an ideal mindset as to how accepting a Muslim community is supposed to be, then don't bother. and no, it's not about 'airing dirty laundry' because believe me, the dirt is already aired - and dried.

i had an interesting conversation with my workmate the other day... he's a very religious man, which made what he said quite surprising.

"look.... while we muslims constantly look to the example of past companions and great men who have achieved social reform, how has their achievments effected me in living my life? how do you tell younger generations, like my children, that the life of men centuries ago, is applicable to the lifestlye they lead now?"

then we started talking about modernity. now, i dont think homosexuality is linked to modernity, as it has existed for centuries, but i do question the applicablity one would point to in 'helpng' someone in a similar situation like yourself by making you 'visualise' somehow of the great examples you're supposed to live up to...

and if the absolute of the Quran is deemed to view gay people as the scourge of humanity, then i'd be interested to find out how a 'tolerant' interpretation can be picked up...

we can all say how 'accepting' we are of homosexuality, and how 'we can't be judgemental'.

right.. and lets get real here. the Quran, as people claim is dead set against it. so.. if our beloved religious leaders also interpret homosexuality is an evil deviation, how can this lead to acceptance??

you can't have it both ways.

it's either you try and 'understand' what it means to be gay. and then, if this attempted.. (in a religious context) you're seen as sympathising to homosexuals..

and we can't have that can we.. because the Quran forbids it. and the implication is that it cant be tolerated.

i call that being between a rock and a hard place.

and if you try and understand homosexuality from a religious context, this attempt to comprehend this 'disease', is under the amibition of trying to 'cure' it..

oh wait hang on.. "we gay people didnt think there's anything to cure"


religion is doctrinal system that i'm sorry.. is a situation where if you don't fit into these God-given ideals, then our placed as someone who "needs to find the right path"....

Shaineque.. you must understand that in an overall context, it is an uncompromising situation, where.. really.. don't expect an orgainsed institution to 'bend' to what you want it to be...

mind you i admire people's attempts, but they essentially face an ingrained set of 'agreements' that have binded communities to... walaa... "the muslim community of today".

oh it makes me proud.

okay.. i'm getting a little too sarcastic.

anyhow, i'd definitately go for the adoption plan. many kids starivng, orphaned.
do your bit :)

and the great thing is, we must thank angelina jolie for making it cool!
lol.. ok i'll stop.

i do wish you the best though. you seem like quite a determined person looking for answers. i hope you find them :)

Salam...
Are you not more ashamed to your family than to Allah s.w.t. ?

Have you forgottened about the story about the people of Prophet Luth?

The verdict (hukum) is clear ... the way is clear... why is it the wrong that we choose? You have to remember death because the real life is after death.

If you want to follow your wants (nafs) , well the shaitan is the person's god. think about it throughly.

An advice from your muslim brother

Salam alaikum,

I think it is important for us to relook the objectives of the syariah (divine law of islam), and to understand the overarching principles why Islam has its laws and rules. And perhaps after that, we can look at the issue of homosexuality more objectively.

The 5 objectives of syariah or better known as maqasid syariah are: to safeguard people’s religion, life/soul, wealth, mind and their descendants/progeny. Here, we see Islam’s contribution in maintaining living order and human civilisation.

Based on these objectives, perhaps when we relook homosexuality, we can then see that because of the inherent clashes with the safeguards, homosexuality is not allowed for various reasons.

I may be making several generalisations here, but forgive me if I do. Homosexuality does not preserve life, because it is one of the many contributing causes to sexually transmitted diseases (even with safe contraception), of which there are no viable cures currently. Homosexuality also does not result in a peace of mind, and as perhaps experienced by the originator of the thread, things like wanting to have a child that is your own flesh and blood, and other psychological needs may not be completely fulfilled by leading a homosexual lifestyle. And of course, homosexuality does not guarantee progeny. There is no reproduction involved from that sort of a union. For all these reason, Islam has forbade homosexuality as a lifestyle.

But that all being said, Allah is Most Aware of the states of His creation. Surely He Knows what is in our hearts, our yearnings and desires, and our strengths and weaknesses. And by His Most Forgiving nature, surely He will forgive us for our sins and trangressions provided we have made a clear effort to stay away from doing it.

The reason why I say this is because I wish to set the context for what I am going to say: that is the struggle that the homosexuals perhaps need to go through in this life.

Firstly, on coming out of the closet. While some of us may view it as a liberating experience coming out of the closet, there are various exhortations in Islam to conceal what is "faulty" or "shameful" from yourself. I use these terms without intent to imply that it is inherently a "fault" or something that you should be "ashamed of", but merely because this is a social construct, and the Muslim society deems it so. Hence, if you were a homosexual, you should not be going around saying that you are. If it will probably set a rift between you and your immediate society, it is better to keep it concealed. And what you experience is only between you and Allah, and Allah will Hide your faults for you too. Sometimes to keep others in the dark, may be the best option. Some may view this as the coward's path, or the defeatist attitude. But I believe that this is the better way. Allah knows best.

Secondly, on the state of struggle for the self - i.e. fighting your urges and preventing yourself from falling into misdemeanour/sin - is honourable and something which is highly encouraged in Islam. Hence, it is my opinion that perhaps gay people who refrain/abstain are receiving much more rewards from Allah because they are fighting their own strong desires, insya Allah! And again, Allah is Most Informed about the states of His servants, and Allah is Most Merciful and Generous. Would He ignore and disregard His servants, if they put in their all and fight throughout their lives to live His Commands? Here once again, I reiterate: That those who fight to stop themselves from committing something which Allah has forbidden, the rewards for them are tremendous.

I understand that homosexual people are too, human, and they want to be able to live a life that is happy and filled with love. And sometimes in the pursuit of such a life, decisions are made which do not necessarily reflect the state of belief and faith that one has in Allah. However, if that should happen, one should remember Allah, and try his/her best to change the way one is. While the homosexual psyche is hard to change, perhaps one can only look for peace in the fact that Allah is Fair in His Judgment. And that if one strives to overcome one's ego and desires, and dedicates one's life to Allah, and does so in silent suffering, will Allah not Look kindly upon that servant?

I hope I have sparked a kinder view towards this issue from both sides of the fence.

Wassalam!

This question has been around for close to 3 years. But I hope the starter Mr "shaineque" reads this.

You've made a comment on one of the other topics in this forum as follows: "wouldnt call myself a practising muslim but I do have faith in this beautiful religion call Islam" on 14 Jun 2007. And your first few words in this original post was: "I know what it says in the Quran".

I hope Allah SWT showers you with light and guidance. God tests us in many ways, as many as the number of stars in the 'Alamin (universe) or more Wallahu'alam Bissawab. If you feel that you were born a gay, then this is your test. Just like Arab Palestinians many of whom were born in the midst of cruelty. Just like persons with Down Syndrome were born as such. It is the will of Allah SWT and only you are strong enough to overcome this test.

Your advantage, is that you have better choices eg. a person born with Down Syndrome or the alike cannot be as normal as us. In my opinion, based on your posts, is that the knowledge is already in you. I might be wrong, Allah SWT knows best.

With that I quote: "Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning)." - Surah Al-A'raf, verse 179.

If you could truly understand the point I'm leaning towards, Insya-Allah you can do it. Amin.

Salaam,

This seems like a long thread, judging by the replies. It is true, homosexuality, Aids, deformaties and unfortunate events sometimes clouded our reasons of life and our purpose of life.

It is difficult to be fair, especially when fairness is done from a human point of view. Yet, Allah warns us, for example, the people who in (sura 4:97-98) questioned in the day of judgement for doing err but instead, giving excuse that they were oppressed, although they had means to emigrate to other lands. Hence, their habitation is hell, for ignoring perseverance and willingness and srtiving rightousness, except those feeble of men and women, children and those who have no rights or strength to change.(v.98).

Similarly, the earlier verse in (Sura An Nisa, verse:95) commends about people who strive their wealth and money for Allah above those who sit still, and bestowed those who strive a greater reward. Hence, just reading this verse, we know the importance of striving (jahada) towards difficulties, whether we are born or are facing with it. In reality, too, humans actually strive to live even against odds as we see in any reality shows, and in our soul we see such actions as an high example, compared to people who simply accept their weakness as their life and fate, which in life is only temporal while the hereafter is everlasting (my only reminder to shaineque ifd he is still bother about this post). How long do you, everyone and I can enjoy in this life before we start to loss everything (money, friends, family) till our very last breath of our life?

So it is not suprising, and sometimes unfortunate, to see humans succumb to their tough trials in their life, and homosexuality is one of them. Maybe we Muslims are sometimes at fault, by not giving the attention, encouragement and support for them. At the same time, we should spend more time attending, praying and giving the best example of Muslims who overcome the odds, just as the early Muslims overcome persecutions, torture, war and verbal insults ( which I think is worse than someone who is facing such problems in this post).

Those who are born with homosexuality is a fact and reality in parts of the society, but not a fact to be accepted as a norm culture and practise. Just as people maybe born from a criminal or dysfunctional parents, but that does not mean he cannot be punished in the law because he was an "inherited-ly" criminal.or dysfunctional, as long he has the consciousness to know it s not normal and right in all that around him. The fact that shamuqie runs away from the society, lies to the parents and contributed to this post proves he knows something is not right and normal to what he does, but escapes by proving that being gay is "well" and others (who are in fact normal) are the problem (?), shows the different shades of his emotional compass.

My only conclusion is probably the same as what all Muslims do, have all faith in Islam (submitting to Allah in sincerity and total submission), and strive for what is right and admonish the wrong, reminding and encouraging other Muslims and non-Muslims. Verily the rewards we get are in the hereafter for those who believe in Allah.

Salaam.

Homosexuality and Islam

Below are some verses in the Quran that speak against homosexuality. Those people who make a god (ilah) of there own lusts are clearly in the wrong.

Prophet Lut spoke against this evil practice of his people. Their only reply was: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth." They soon found out who was telling the truth when Allah destroyed them all. Let it be known right now that there is NO SUCH THING AS A GAY MUSLIM!!! A Muslim is one who submits himself to the will of Allah. Those who practice this evil have submitted themselves to their own desires and have turned their backs on the clear teachings of Islam. These people will use any kind of rationalization to justify their sinful practices. Be not deceived by the smooth tactics of Shaitan. He will try everything to guide us from the wrong way.

If you have these homosexual desires in you seek refuge in Allah and Allah will help you. Allah has revealed the truth. All praise is for Allah!!!

Verses From Qur'an:

026.165-166 "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"

027.055 Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!

029.028-29 And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth."

Hadeeth (saying of prophet Muhammad) regarding homosexuality:

Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: The Prophet (saws) said: A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman. A man should not lie with another man without wearing lower garment under one cover; and a woman should not be lie with another woman without wearing lower garment under one cover. (Abu Dawood)

Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (saws) said: A man should not lie with another man and a woman should not lie with another woman without covering their private parts except a child or a father. He also mentioned a third thing which I forgot. (Abu Dawood)

Discussion:

Allah condemns homosexuality explicitly in the Qur'an: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives Allah has created for you? Nay, You are a people who transgress." (26:165-166) It is the sin of the people of Lut and its Arabic word is lutiyya. Liwat is the word for sodomy, under which heading the topic of homosexuality is found in the books of fiqh. Under shari`a both the (same-sex) sodomizer and sodomized are passible of death. The laws of other religions were similar until not so long ago. The Companions considered it so abhorrent that they subjected the culprits to burning, an extreme punishment not meted out for any other offense. As for lesbianism, the Prophet, blessings and Peace upon him said that it consisted in zina (adultery) and so it is subject to the same ruling as zina, which is death for the married, and lashes for the unmarried. Our relaxed attitude in this day and age is purely a product of the times in which we live, where morals have been completely liquefied so that we no longer know the difference between black and white so to speak. If someone was covered with dirt from head to toes and insists that it is his way of life, we would not keep company with them for one second. What about someone who insists on his transgression when even the shari`a of Jews and Christians explicitly condemn it?

Thats why Allah(swt) ordered Angels to pick up the land of prophet Lut and turned it upside down and dumped it in the Red Sea.

Go figure ya..